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	<title>Comments on: Non-competes and innovation</title>
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		<title>By: Scott Kirsner</title>
		<link>http://blog.simeonov.com/2009/07/30/non-competes-and-innovation/#comment-18052</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 01:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I feel like any time an attorney posts an opinion about non-competes, they ought to mention that &lt;B&gt;attorneys are not covered by non-compete agreements&lt;/B&gt;. This seems like an interesting disclaimer.

One of Dave&#039;s colleagues at Foley Hoag explained it to me thusly:


It&#039;s actually built into our rules of professional conduct, rather than a Massachusetts statute (Rule 5.6:  A lawyer shall not participate in offering or making: a partnership or employment agreement that restricts the right of a lawyer to practice after termination of the relationship...&quot;).  It&#039;s very similar to a model rule promulgated by the American Bar Association.  The comment to the rule states that such a restriction &quot;not only limits [lawyers&#039;] professonal autonomy but also limts the freedom of clients to choose a lawyer.&quot;  There is an exception for sale of a law practice. 

Interesting, don&#039;t you think, that attorneys can enjoy the financial rewards of representing companies enforcing non-competes, or the financial rewards of defending employees who are bound by them -- but that the attorneys themselves have no worries about non-competes...?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel like any time an attorney posts an opinion about non-competes, they ought to mention that <b>attorneys are not covered by non-compete agreements</b>. This seems like an interesting disclaimer.</p>
<p>One of Dave&#8217;s colleagues at Foley Hoag explained it to me thusly:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s actually built into our rules of professional conduct, rather than a Massachusetts statute (Rule 5.6:  A lawyer shall not participate in offering or making: a partnership or employment agreement that restricts the right of a lawyer to practice after termination of the relationship&#8230;&#8221;).  It&#8217;s very similar to a model rule promulgated by the American Bar Association.  The comment to the rule states that such a restriction &#8220;not only limits [lawyers'] professonal autonomy but also limts the freedom of clients to choose a lawyer.&#8221;  There is an exception for sale of a law practice. </p>
<p>Interesting, don&#8217;t you think, that attorneys can enjoy the financial rewards of representing companies enforcing non-competes, or the financial rewards of defending employees who are bound by them &#8212; but that the attorneys themselves have no worries about non-competes&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Simeon Simeonov</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A race to the bottom, indeed, because, currently, there is little benefit to individual companies to not have non-competes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A race to the bottom, indeed, because, currently, there is little benefit to individual companies to not have non-competes.</p>
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		<title>By: dave broadwin</title>
		<link>http://blog.simeonov.com/2009/07/30/non-competes-and-innovation/#comment-18046</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know how the value of a noncompete could be quantified in dollars.  But, isn&#039;t what drives the pervasiveness of noncompetes a race to the bottom.  If you extract noncompetes from your employees and I don&#039;t then my employees can go work for you and undermine my business and I can&#039;t fight back by hiring your employees.  Therefor I have to have what you have.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know how the value of a noncompete could be quantified in dollars.  But, isn&#8217;t what drives the pervasiveness of noncompetes a race to the bottom.  If you extract noncompetes from your employees and I don&#8217;t then my employees can go work for you and undermine my business and I can&#8217;t fight back by hiring your employees.  Therefor I have to have what you have.</p>
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		<title>By: Simeon Simeonov</title>
		<link>http://blog.simeonov.com/2009/07/30/non-competes-and-innovation/#comment-18045</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simeon Simeonov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dave, yes, non-competes definitely give some extra protections to an employer. So, assuming they won&#039;t be made illegal by the state, the only thing that would make employers non require them is a cost that exceeds the benefit. The cost may come in terms of perception, access to talent, etc. Very hard to compare and quantify... 

Have you thought about ways to quantify the added value of having the non-compete in place?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, yes, non-competes definitely give some extra protections to an employer. So, assuming they won&#8217;t be made illegal by the state, the only thing that would make employers non require them is a cost that exceeds the benefit. The cost may come in terms of perception, access to talent, etc. Very hard to compare and quantify&#8230; </p>
<p>Have you thought about ways to quantify the added value of having the non-compete in place?</p>
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		<title>By: dave broadwin</title>
		<link>http://blog.simeonov.com/2009/07/30/non-competes-and-innovation/#comment-18044</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With respect to your first question, two things ocurr to me.  First, lawyers, like me, have been advising clients to get noncompetes since dinasaurs roamed the earth and old habits die hard.  Second, and this lead into your second question, employers and investors believe that they get some incremental protection from noncompetes -- in addition to what is covered by the other agreements I mentioned.  And, in fact they do. 

With resect to your second question, as you noted in your post, noncompetes do have some harrassment value.  I think the standard of proof is the same in all these contracts, but violations of nonsolicits, nonhires, etc. are, I think, likely to be more clear cut and therefore easier to avoid and less likely to be asserted in the absence of a clear violation.  Because the definition of &quot;competition&quot; in these agreements is often not crisp, violations can be asserted when the evidence is not perfectly clear.  Law suits are by their nature expensive and unpleasant.  The deck isusually stacked against the potential employee because the former employer usuallly has more resources.  As you point out, often the threat of a suit is enough to discourage hiring of an engineer or other person.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With respect to your first question, two things ocurr to me.  First, lawyers, like me, have been advising clients to get noncompetes since dinasaurs roamed the earth and old habits die hard.  Second, and this lead into your second question, employers and investors believe that they get some incremental protection from noncompetes &#8212; in addition to what is covered by the other agreements I mentioned.  And, in fact they do. </p>
<p>With resect to your second question, as you noted in your post, noncompetes do have some harrassment value.  I think the standard of proof is the same in all these contracts, but violations of nonsolicits, nonhires, etc. are, I think, likely to be more clear cut and therefore easier to avoid and less likely to be asserted in the absence of a clear violation.  Because the definition of &#8220;competition&#8221; in these agreements is often not crisp, violations can be asserted when the evidence is not perfectly clear.  Law suits are by their nature expensive and unpleasant.  The deck isusually stacked against the potential employee because the former employer usuallly has more resources.  As you point out, often the threat of a suit is enough to discourage hiring of an engineer or other person.</p>
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		<title>By: Simeon Simeonov</title>
		<link>http://blog.simeonov.com/2009/07/30/non-competes-and-innovation/#comment-18043</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simeon Simeonov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dave, two questions related to this:

1. If employers can get most of what they need from non-competes then why are so many of them so reluctant to drop them?

2. I&#039;m all for non-solicits, non-disclosures, non-hires, invention agreements, etc. An employer can/should go after employees who are breaking these agreements. However, the burden of proof is higher, isn&#039;t it? So, doesn&#039;t it all come down to how easy it is to go after an employee based on a non-compete agreement just because of the fear of the &quot;inevitable breakage&quot; of these other agreements?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, two questions related to this:</p>
<p>1. If employers can get most of what they need from non-competes then why are so many of them so reluctant to drop them?</p>
<p>2. I&#8217;m all for non-solicits, non-disclosures, non-hires, invention agreements, etc. An employer can/should go after employees who are breaking these agreements. However, the burden of proof is higher, isn&#8217;t it? So, doesn&#8217;t it all come down to how easy it is to go after an employee based on a non-compete agreement just because of the fear of the &#8220;inevitable breakage&#8221; of these other agreements?</p>
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		<title>By: dave broadwin</title>
		<link>http://blog.simeonov.com/2009/07/30/non-competes-and-innovation/#comment-18042</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I have noted elswhere, I don&#039;t believe that making noncompetes illegal will change much.  Employers can get most of the &quot;benefit/protection&quot; from nonsolicits, nonhires, nondisclosures, and invention agreements.  I believe the big difference between the Valley and Boston is cultural and not related to what are ultimately nuances of noncompete law.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I have noted elswhere, I don&#8217;t believe that making noncompetes illegal will change much.  Employers can get most of the &#8220;benefit/protection&#8221; from nonsolicits, nonhires, nondisclosures, and invention agreements.  I believe the big difference between the Valley and Boston is cultural and not related to what are ultimately nuances of noncompete law.</p>
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